WAKE UP! Conference Call Interview with Illuminati Reformer Leo Zagami (3of4)

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TS: 01:42:50
Q: Will the currency be changed anytime soon?

“When the FED and the whole system crashes, you’ll have to change the currency. The problem is what we are going to have after this. ” The Amero might be used as interim currency, proceeding a collapsing dollar and preceding a digital currency.

TS: 01:45:09
Q: 2012: used by the Illuminati or the Forces of Light, Jesus, and also, is <unintelligible>

On the one hand you have the corrupt Illuminati on the Dark Side, of the Adam Weishaupt tradition. On the other hand you have the Light Side, of which its members are genuinely illuminated by God. The confrontation between these two groups happens at the “upper level of the Pyramid” of power. Needless to say, Leo advocates that the Light Side must take control.

A possibility will come into view in which the slave gods, or demons, “who have been with us for centuries” will be supplanted by the Science and Kingdom of God. Unfortunately, the ensuing “confrontation will result in catastrophe” in which wars, turmoil of all kinds, earthquakes etc. will be commonplace. Only after “seven years of tribulation,” starting in 2012, will “mankind be able to see the light.”

TS: 01:48:58
Q: Is Jesus in charge or not?

“Jesus will be in charge if the NWO will become the Kingdom of God. If the NWO becomes the reign of the anti-Christ, then the anti-Christ will be in charge.” Since a lot of people will be facing death in the upcoming “seven years of tribulation,” Leo urges people to get ready and prepare for these difficult times ahead.

Leo wants to challenge Pharaonic magic. We have to understand the roots of esoteric Christianity, higher occult freemasonry and hermetic initiatic schools. “The philosophy of all religions need to be studied” because “if we are to confront the enemy we have to know the enemy.” Leo brings up Moses as an presentable example as he could confront and defeat his enemy because “he knew very well the arts of Pharaonic magic, black magic.”

It is necessary to know the machinations of the Dark Side so as to be able to learn an alternative to the satanic version of the NWO that is in the making. Leo emphasizes that challenging the system in a theoretical or superficial sense “is not enough.” Instead, one has to challenge the proponents of this kind of NWO on their own playing ground, which is the “science of the Mages, a science based on occult knowledge, that finally, after 2012, will be revealed to mankind.” It is the trick to use knowledge to advance humanity rather than retard and/or decimate it.

Fortunately more and more people contact Leo with the aim of joining the good side, but “still it takes a lot of time and we are still a minority” while the “majority has still in their hands the whole economical establishment” and it is “difficult to make revolution without cash.” Hence Leo at least “is trying to do a revolution of knowledge,” through his website leozagami.com and through everything he does with his movement “we try to bring awareness to people.” Leo also hopes to one day represent a movement that is strong enough to get to work inside the UN and demand “the secrets of secret societies to be disclosed to the public” as “we all want to live in an illuminated way” as opposed to living in obscurity.

The science and knowledge Leo talks about concerns “entities from other realms”, knowledge which at the present times is only in the hands of intelligence services who use it to develop mind control technology. By becoming aware “we finally will be able to challenge the system” and, once victorious, we may be able to use the positive side of the system rather than its “control side.” The people who now are in charge of it merely use it to for their own material gain and have degenerated the function of religion to be a mere tool of “mind control for the masses.”

Count of St. Germain (fl. 1710–1784)

TS 02:00:29
Q: Do you think that justice will be served to the American people, what would happen to George W Bush?

“America was founded with the blessing of ascended masters, like Count Saint Germain who was behind foundations the US; Benjamin Franklin, George Washington.” America was created for a purpose. Leo says that he hopes that “America will become a beacon of light for the rest of the civilized world.” It is necessary to “free mankind from ignorance and superstition” and to embrace the “possibility of creating a dream on Earth, the Kingdom of God.” A world characterized by an utter absence of the kaleidoscope of threats we see today, in a corrupt, greedy and hypocritical world that “we not want to leave to our children.”

Leo hopes that “Obama is a man of consistency and that sooner rather than later, he wakes up and decides to make a revolutionary change.” A change that will be a real change for the better for all the people, rather than the mere financial betterment of the evil Illuminati; people who want to continue manipulating and exploiting the world and “who have absolutely no interest in the future of our children and much rather send this planet to hell only to make more money, build more bunkers, more villas etc.” Knowing that they will not relinquish control without a bang, the coming clash will bring with it “a very desperate situation.”

He goes on to point the backward nature of the struggle he finds himself in, in which “people like him are ostracized”, while other people are celebrated who bring “false words of comfort”, who “preach the bible when they themselves are complete satanists in the hands of the Illuminati elite.” It’s a “hypocritical and sad moment for humanity.”

Lord Surya - Hindu Chief Solar Deity

TS: 02:08:53
Q: Are you conversive or fully aware of the decree of Lord Surya, which is now being put through by Count Saint Germain and the other ascended masters being spearheaded, if you like, by Arcane Lord Michael, which is to turn planet Earth to join the Galactic Federation of Light, of which the Ankara defected and joined in 1988. Can you comment on that?

“This is connected to the portal at Mt Shasta. The communication with the ascended master Saint Germain has always been very important. From the same school of thought we also have the possibility of understanding the higher level of the spiritual change which is set in motion.”

Count Alessandro di Cagliostro (2 June 1743 – 26 August 1795)

Leo then goes to explain why this delicate and complex subject matter
should be treated with respect as there are “high spiritual energies at work.” He states that the “work of the ascended master Saint Germain, who, behind the scenes in the Illuminati, was trying to bring humanity to a positive Kingdom of God. Saint Germain was and IS (!) still one of the key roles of the Council of Twelve.” The person who is “more important than him is Nr 13, the Messiah – the Christos returning.” Leo says that one of the disciples of Saint Germaine, Count Cagliostro, created the Egyptian Rite of Memphis and Misraim, which also “includes the Arcana Arcanorum: a very secretive study and practice, conducted within the realms of sexual magic for the creation of a Magical Child etc.” “People will become more aware of these realities.”

Leo mentions “rituals conducted by the Illuminati of the Great White Brotherhood working on the positive side and universal knowledge to bring forth energies to heal the planet.” He then points out that there are “also a lot of false gurus, people in the New Age establishment” and warns people that they “need to be properly trained in dealing with these entities otherwise one might end up with demons rather than angels.” To communicate with these messengers of light, one “needs to be completely pure spiritually” something which “these days is very difficult.”

The New Age movement is “manipulated mostly by Intelligence Services” so as to be able to “implement the Luciferian side of things,” operating closer to “their Illuminati and dark views”. Sometimes “the Illuminati were bold to deal with Lucifer and sometimes they fell under his complete control.” Nonetheless, according to the Gnostic tradition, even Lucifer, in the end times, will be working with God so “even he has a function in the End Times scenario.” Leo stresses that “it is impossible for ordinary man to communicate with either Ascended Masters or beings of any kind.”

“You need to know yourself, so you can eventually help others and be able to lead the way for this global awareness.” “In 2012, the Ascended Masters and the whole show, is gathering, as it is the great gathering moment because planet Earth is in the center of the galaxy.”

TS: 02:18:55

Q: Listener refers to an article in the Spectrum Magazine featuring an article that asserts that the most powerful man in the world is Peter Hans Kolvenbach, the Jesuit Superior General or Black Pope who controls all countries in the world. Is there any truth to that?

Leo has denounced the Jesuits in the past during a whole series of interviews he had with Greg Szymanski at arcticbeacon.com, but also with other researchers such as Eric Jon Phelps. “The Jesuit Order, which is a specific Catholic Order, has an enormous influence.” Today its General is Adolpho Nicholas, the Black Pope. Being in charge of the Jesuits means also to be “in charge of the esoteric magical side of the Vatican.” As such, the Jesuits are in control of the Vatican library, and all its archives, and thus wield “an immense amount of power.”

In addition, the Jesuits have influenced “all forms of secret societies and establishments, including parts of Freemasonry.” They also “deal directly with Muslims of the Gulen Movement, “which are the most powerful since they secretly control the Council of Forty of the Muslim Illuminati”, officially headed by Sheikh Nazim but who “is secretly controlled by Fethullah Gulen who himself wrote a book talking about the NWO, with a preface written by Thomas Michel, the secretary for the inter-religious dialogue of the Jesuits.” Leo has “denounced them in the past because they are double faced people, who are totally involved in the NWO at the highest level, just as the Zionists.”

In 2012, the Jesuits are to host a most important Jesuit conference, of which its purpose is to decide the future of the Order. “They know very well, that this is not only anymore a terrestrial game.” Their spiritual engagement is evident in that “they deal directly with certain entities, demons, Jinns, ‘aliens’.” Their affinity with the metaphysical kingdom is what prompted them to build a base in Arizona, Mount Graham, “where they deal with one of the most powerful entities” and “control all the astronomy laboratories.” Furthermore, “they have filmed the video of Planet X, which went to an Italian researcher [Cristoforo Barbato]” to disinform the people on the celestial reality. Zecharia Sitchin, in charge of the Niburu/Annunaki myth, and who heavily influences David Icke, is himself [Sitchin] “connected with the Jesuits and the Vatican, who was received by the Pope and was also a good friend of father Balducci, the chief exorcist of the Vatican and who also was in charge of the Vatican endorsed UFO phenomenon.”

“The Jesuits have this capacity because of their esoteric knowledge.” They are the ones really in charge of the magic secretly practiced in the Vatican. In the movie “The Exorcist,” the priest performing the exorcism ritual is also a real-life Jesuit priest.

The Jesuits are therefore very dangerous. Currently they are working on a plan to secretly submit to the Muslims and to convert part of the Vatican hierarchy to Islam. Leo states that forty Cardinals in the Vatican have already converted to the Muslim faith. Their aim is to “use Islam as the ultimate mind control religion to control the masses after 2012. Islam was chosen because, contrary to Christianity, it functions very well” in that they are able to “brainwash groups of terrorists and launch them on whatever mission they want.” Muslims are “easy to brainwash if you know how to manipulate the Koran” which contrastingly and ironically can also be held as a Holy Book, a Revelation of God. Leo holds the Illuminati responsible for corrupting the more sacred character of the Koran.

The Jesuits control Georgetown University and so control the intelligentsia of the politicians of the US. It is disgusting how mankind is able to pervert religion, which originally was pure and sacred, in order to use it “to enslave the masses.” “They don’t want people to wake up and discover the real Science of God,” something which “would be of benefit to everybody”, be they Muslims, Christians, Sikh, people of “any kind of religion.”

Concluding Statement

“If the complete truth comes out, then the establishment will fall.” This is why the secrets of religion are still kept secret and “to make the whole puzzle complete is nearly impossible.” The Internet “has the truth in separate places, but then you have to put it all together,” something that is very difficult, Leo admits.

Go to leozagami.com and sign up and be part of a second American Revolution which aims at bringing “America again under the control of Americans.” Leo explains that America now is “still under the control of the Queen of England, the usual Pope, and the usual figures who were here for the last couple hundred years, who seem to always rule the scene.” It is “up to us” to ignite a new revolution. The truth has to be brought out and is to be “taught to everybody, in schools, in universities” so as to finally be a “free man, living in the cosmic reality, respecting God’s 2012.”

However, this process of awakening will be not like the sweet New Age propaganda likes to have us believe. Quite the contrary, it will be a grim and protracted struggle, where “millions and millions of people” will suffer. “We don’t have to hide this to our children.” We are going towards “very difficult times” and the people therefore “need to be prepared.”

Fortunately, more and more people are waking up now “because their lives are directly affected” by the myriad of spawning crises around us and its multivariate stench is getting increasingly difficult to ignore. One will have to accept that standards of living are slowly decreasing and in the end we will live lives that are “much worse than our fathers, and the fathers of our fathers. And instead of eating fresh food, we’ll be eating substitutes made by big corporations. Food that is literally garbage.”

Leo concludes by saying that “this is because we let these people rule the world, so:

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WAKE UP! Conference Call Interview with Illuminati Reformer Leo Zagami (2of4)

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TS: 00:47:14
Q:The collapse might not happen as bad as everybody thinks is because the US is the biggest domino in the world arena. So when we fall we take countries like China right down with us; countries like Japan. We pretty much control the world economy, right from here. So if we allow the economy to collapse, the world slips into a global depression.

“We are going towards a major global depression.” The day after Obama’s inauguration, on 20th January, “watch what will happen on the 21st of January.” The Great Depression of “1929 will be viewed as peanuts.” This will be “the biggest depression”, but sadly it is “only the beginning” as it will “only gets worse.”

TS: 00:48:24
Q: Do the higher echelons of power, like the Vatican and the top US government officials, already know who this anti-Christ is?

“Yes.” “The families in power have contact with certain groups of Jinns, entities, who work directly with them on a plan.” “The upper level of the pyramid is completely together in this,” meaning that the demons and the Illuminati work hand in glove trying to bring about a demonic and thus necessarily satanic NWO.

However, since there is no consensus or unison at the top, the situation will even get worse. Leo explains, that the “supreme college of illuminated beings that preside over the Illuminati are not completely agreeing on the whole picture. They’re trying to avoid taking their own responsibilities. Their responsibilities are unacceptable. They themselves have made deals with these entities. So they know they have to implement the NWO for the anti-Christ. They’re forced to do so as the anti-Christ requires the maximum of obedience towards him.”

TS: 00:50:56
Q: Do you have any friends in the higher ups of the Illuminati that have contacts with alien beings on a regular basis? If so, have any of them told you or admitted to you that they’ve been off world, basically to travel to other planets? Yes or no?

Leo confirms that many of his Illuminati friends have been in contact with these beings from early on in life and rather soon “formulate with these entities a deal. The Illuminati are actually born Illuminati. They are carried from birth into their reality, which is very different from the reality of a normal man in the outside world.” Leo goes on to explain that the typical “Illuminati man who becomes in charge of these [Illuminati] orders is already working towards that goal from the age of 5-10. At 10 he is already capable of entering the Rose Cross [Rosicrucian Order]. At 15 he’s already into a whole establishment of magicians, at a very high level, who deal with entities.”

Leo has been part of it, so he speaks from own experience and further admits that “he can leave the [organizational] body that represents the negative side” but he can “never leave the fact that he belongs to the invisible College of Masters, who are there doing a specific job which no other people can do.”

He says that he works with these entities “on a regular basis”, he knows their names and the “kind of kingdom they operate”. He knows they have a king, “even a justice structure,” and of course they possess a “high level of technology”, which is “handed down to us,” so that we can utilize it as building blocks for further earth-bound developed technology. Typically this technology first sees use in “the intelligence field” or “in the military” and then ultimately percolates through into the “commercial realm.”

Leo then states that these entities “already have the knowledge of the Science of God,” since they are “already at a higher level of consciousness with respect to us.” He then explains that the “demonic realm is very strong,” whose members promise certain families wealth, and power to religious establishments. The entities manifest themselves during magical rituals, and the conjurer is thus in a position to “be able to dialogue with them and work with them.”

TS: 00:56:08
Q: Have you had any personal experience with alien groups at all?

“Absolutely”, replies Leo, and explains that this “started in 1993 with the practice of the Magic of Abramelin the Mage“, when certain beings started to interact with him, something that is business as usual for those who “work in the close circles of the Illuminati.” However, care has to be taken not to conjure up or invoke demons, therefore “you have to first learn each of their names” as well as their characters so as to be able to “rise above to the angelic side.” Hence magicians such as Leo, “have to have a full perspective of who these entities are.”

Leo then goes on to criticize “the UFO movement because of their ignorance” as they fail to look at the deeper layers of reality and instead focus on the superficial technological fruits of “experiments done by the government instructed by the Jinns.” Leo then explains that there are “also manifestations of the entities themselves,” and that “abductions are when people are brought into the realm of these entities.” In the Middle East, for instance, abductions are “always ascribed to Jinns.” In other words, the whole alien/UFO worldview is a “disinfo view of reality.”

The “entities are very dangerous” so “you should have knowledge of what you are doing, like the ancient Indians [Native Americans].” This apparent presence of Jinns on traditionally native American soil is the reason why “the Jesuits have an observatory at Mount Graham”. They hope to gain help from these entities “in order to completely control mankind.”

In order to establish contact with the right kind of entities, angelic beings of light, one has to “purify the spirit.” Thus “the elite is nowadays trying to purify their spirit and to be able to restore their planet in time for the NWO for being the Kingdom of God”, as opposed to “Rockefeller’s” kingdom of the anti-Christ. Leo makes it clear that the ensuing power-struggle will “lead to Armageddon.” And that there’s “no way around.”

TS: 01:01:41
Q: Do you feel there will be plenty of survivors where the world will start over or do you think it’s gonna be completely wiped out?

“In the calculations made by the Illuminati, 3/4 of the world should be wiped out.”

“There are good people and bad people. Good spirits and bad spirits.”
Leo states that there will be a confrontation between angels and demons. It’s definitely something we will have to learn to live with and also participate with it, so not to end up enslaved to it.”

TS: 01:03:04
Q: Is there a safe place that we could go to, fly to or go and move to in the world?

“This is a question circulating many times in the higher levels of the Illuminati when he used to be in charge of the Monte Carlo Lodge. Unfortunately, there is no such place. No safe haven. [...] You can only hope you will be among the survivors reestablishing this planet.” Leo then goes on to say that we will see a “rebirth of figures that we are not used to anymore” who “will have a major responsibility in their hands” in the “struggle of warlords” in a conflict having “apocalyptic proportions.”

This doomsday scenario will not only hit America but will extend to all nations in the world. Traveling from one place to the other will be severely restricted, if not impossible. Any wars fought will be “about diminishing global resources.” Leo stresses that this is “not happening by chance,” and encourages anyone to “study the real but hidden history” rather than its official watered-down version that is being taught at common schools. After all the saying goes:

“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
George Santayana

In order to protect your family and loved ones you should make preparations “in your own communities.” Residing in large population pockets is very dangerous and Leo advises “to move out of the cities and move towards small communities, the country-side.” He says that “in four years from now we will live in a very different reality.” We will witness an “environment that will become increasingly hostile.” Food shortage will emerge and crime will rise disproportionately. So we “have to form strong militias” and “involve people from the establishment who are honest.” The moment the FED crashes, which is a very real possibility, “we are ready for a second revolution.”

Leo implies that we have to wake up as many people as possible, even “the military establishment”, to the clear and present danger of the existence and determination of “a small minority that is perverting the course of things to implement a NWO that is in the hands of the usual families, a small minority, to finally implement this NWO, to establish the Kingdom of the anti-Christ.”

TS: 01:14:24
Q: How did you become an Illuminati?

Leo says that he has basically become an Illuminati (or Illuminatus) by virtue of a “long family tradition, that goes through the centuries.” He explains that “certain families are granted the possibility to become high up in this hierarchy.” Unfortunately there is also “corruption within those families,” meaning that, if left unchecked and unchallenged, after a period of chaos, the world will see the installation of the anti-Christ, who will rule the world with an iron fist.

TS: 1:16:06
Q: How did you originally get involved? When did you leave and how long ago did you leave it?

“I joined 13 April 1993,” via the Italian Airforce and “entered certain groups close to Opus Dei” and was working for Giulio Andreotti. He was already in an Illuminati family and was initiated by “Prince Alliata di Monreale, who had his own Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite that was recognized by the Supreme Council Washington DC.” Prince Alliata was also involved with Operation Gladio, trying to stave off the “evil” communists from gaining a foothold in Europe.

After the termination of the Weishauptian Illuminati experiment called the Soviet Union, “America was clever enough to create a new enemy” (terrorism) as it “always needs an enemy.” Therefore, “Carter gave birth to Islamic fundamentalism”, based on US Intelligence texts drafted at US universities.

Leo confirms that “Usama Bin Laden works with the CIA.” The recent simplistic statement of al-Zawahiri accusing Obama of being a House Negroe, is all “part of the theater,” implying that Al Zawahiri is an operative working with or for US Intelligence, much like the other false opposition head-honcho Bin Laden, along a scripted – or Hegelian Dialectic.

The Muslims could have attacked Obama much more effectively by accusing him of being “an apostate Muslim, liable to death.” By the same token, Iran and “Ahmadinejad, is another show for the masses.”

Leo says that the “real crisis is further becoming evident; which is the economic crisis.” He says that the recent terrorist attack in Mumbai, India was done by the usual people to revive the specter of terrorism and “was totally organized and arranged.” Leo says that basically “we are victims of a farce recited on a global scale by a bunch of incompetent Intelligence agencies.”

TS: 01:24:31
Q: What made you leave the Illuminati?

Already in 2003, Leo was starting to have “problems with certain branches of the American Illuminati,” who were then “not powerful enough yet” to confront him. However, Leo sensed that the “evil side”, which wants to implement a demonic NWO, “was taking over.”

Some time later Leo married a descendant of the Prophet of Mohammed and converted to Islam and thereby set out to “accomplish what the Knights Templar tried to accomplish for several hundred years”, which was “to link the bloodline of the Knights Templar with the bloodline of the Prophet of Mohammed.” As a result Leo was offered the possibility of joining a “higher office within the Monte Carlo structure.”

However, in June 2006 he was asked to “betray the family of his wife” and “saw too much corruption”, happening “at the highest level”. Although the problems with the US Illuminati could have been worked out, its representative, Giorgio Hugo Balestrieri, is someone Leo “could not agree with” and who was “obviously working for the anti-Christ.”

These were the reasons why Leo chose to leave the Monte Carlo lodge in 2006. In addition, he could also not agree with “their vision of 2012,” which entails building “underground cities, underground bases” and so on, that are to function as refuges for the power elite to escape the times of future turmoil and chaos happening above the ground.

After coming out of the Monte Carlo lodge and settling down with his new family in Norway, problems started to emerge once again when Leo started his blog “Illuminati Confessions.” In December 2006, Norwegian police and social workers came to Leo’s house one night and started to threaten him by saying that “if you don’t stop your blog you’ll be arrested and you’ll lose your children.” Although he initially trusted Fatma, she also gave in and became corrupt as the Muslim group she worked in, the Gulen Movement, stepped up their collaboration with the Jesuits. Fatma was ordered to leave Leo and to level false accusations against him. Consequently, earlier in 2008, Leo’s marriage was dissolved and he lost his only son, Isak Rumi.

After his blog was closed down he managed to open up a new website, hosted by webfriend.it. In late 2006, people from the other side, asked Leo to stop his exposure on the web during a P2 meeting in Livorno, Italy. Even this summer Leo tried to “save the situation” by proposing a “monetary reform” and effecting “certain changes in Inter-religious dialogue”, but unfortunately the enemy, which includes the Carlyle Group and Ezio Giunchiglia, is “too strong.”

While in Norway, during this summer, Norwegian Intelligence (PST), arrested him, interrogated him, and threatened him with 15 years in jail, “if he didn’t leave Norway.” The reason why Norway is so important is that Rockefeller “invested a lot of money in underground bases that were first developed by the Germans.” Also in the north of Norway was created a base containing “all the seeds of all plants of the entire planet” should extinction become widespread through “pollution, radiation, etc.” of the consequences of cataclysmic times ahead. Leo states that “hiding underground from what will happen in 2012, is not the solution.”

TS: 01:36:56
Q: What is protecting you from voicing this information not having them try to permanently silence you?
Leo has regained some parts of the Illuminati, in the last few months. Various people working in Intelligence, the Military, and the economic structure have sided with Leo and have faith in his ability to “create a positive change in the future.” Nonetheless, Leo has to cope with a growing number of enemies, including Muslims who now consider him an apostate since he recanted his Muslim faith earlier in 2008 when his wife betrayed him.

Leo maintains however, that he married Fatma as a traditional Knights Templar, a fact that prevents people from being authorized to kill him as “only the Pope can approve of his death,” but “he doesn’t have the courage to do” this though. Despite of this, Leo is aware of the security danger and this is why he “chooses to live in a discrete way and not to expose himself too much.”

Following an unintelligible remark Leo explains his spiritual position, which is the way of Jesus rather than of Satan. Leo refers to the Illuminati structure he is part of, as the AA, or the Arcana Arcanorum, and maintains that while upholding the way of Jesus, he will always win: IN HOC SIGNO VINCES.

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Exposing The High Ranking Muslim Illuminati Abdullah Aymaz (01of12)

Leo has regained his computers and other personal belongings that were stolen from him by the Norwegian authorities when he was arrested in early March this year. When I posted the picture of Leo together with Abdullah Aymaz on Leo’s forums, two days later they were intruded by apparently Turkish hackers.
Leo blames Turkish Intelligence for this rude act of hijacking.

The Muslim Illuminati, of which Aymaz is part, does not want this incriminating picture into the public consciousness.

Leo explains why this is…..

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